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Problem - FPS problem - game unplayable - upgraded video card from a 2090ti to a 4090 (1 Viewer)

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I upgraded my video card from 2090 to asus 4090 nvidia card. my monitor is a benq running at 240 mhz and im running intel cpus.

After the swap my fps is shit and its unplayable on this pc now. Im only running a few instances in windows mode.
i tested some other games like new world and they run fine.


CPU and memory are minimal both for EQ and the OS

set cpuaffinity to -1
reran the wizard from the launchpad
performed a clean install of drivers.
disabled gsync
bad performance with or without MQ


any ideas would be great.
 
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I stumbled on the culprit. 'sound'

I use process explorer as a replacement for task manager ( https://learn.microsoft.com/en-us/sysinternals/downloads/process-explorer ). Looking at the thread stack and comparing to my instances on a running machine I found a thread that stood out. mss64.dll!ail_event_system_dump_handles - The CPU / Cycles Delta where much higher that the ones running on my good machine.

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In the stack trace of this thread looked like this ..


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I dont know exact details but I know this appears to be sound related. Unchecked sound to test ..

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No more issues. stack looks "normal"

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set the geforce settings in the control panel to defaults. tweaked some in game video configs back to normal
multiple instances all work like a champ and chugging at 60 fps where its capped in MQ.

WIll have to spend some time seeing if it can be resolved but I have been playing with sound muted on this machine for some time now anyway.
 
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I can't help but feel it's memory related. I read one thread where a person said their 4090 didn't work correctly until they disabled their overclocking XMP profile in the motherboard BIOS. Which leads me to a suggestion to reset your MOBO Bios to something like Optimal Defaults. If you've tweaked the BIOS make sure you take pictures of settings with your phone.

Then also, I'd be curious what kind of frame rates you're capable of getting in other games?

Edited to add I was composing this as you posted your sound solution! Good job working through it and thanks for posting the results!
 
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After reading alot of what others have suggested. I would suggest a full wipe.

1. Pull everything off your HD to reinstall windows.
2. Remove the new RTX 4090
3. Use the intel onboard graphics to install a fresh windows install
4. redownload EQ first.
5. login and do testing with Onboard graphics.
6. Reinstall RTX 4090
7. download drivers and restart computer.
8. load EQ and do testing before install RG/MQ
9. if all of this passes then reinstall RG/MQ
10. Test again with your original setup when you first encounter problems. (number of toons listed/whatever you were doing before)

I say this as, it seems that alot of setting could have been changed and/or need to be changed.

A fresh install with no manipulations might be the best course of action. If it is a Windows 11 problem you will see it again in in Step 8**

I would kick windows 11 and buy a windows 10 key for like 30 bucks intill other problems are sorted out.

All else fails (might be a bad RTX 4090) :confused:
 
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eeeppeee said:
I stumbled on the culprit. 'sound'
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To clarify, the sounds issue i have also had before on my laptop running a certain number of instances. Because of the way EQ is setup, the game processes sounds for each instance. I had to go in manually and disable the driver for sound entriely to get more than 6 instances to run smoothly.

Since now being on my desktop, i havent noticed this issue as much but the computer will still process sound per instance unless you turn it off manually as you showed. Ill do some testing this week to see if it boggs mine down again
 
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You mentioned in the beginning that all you did was change your video card. All things being equal, your video card has nothing to do with your sound device. Unless of course it has something to do with the Nvidia audio that many cards have that transmit sound through the HDMI port. You can try to disable the Nvidia high definition audio in device manager for the card. You can also try un-installing the GeForce experience program (if you indeed installed it) as well in case this is creating some weird conflict.
 
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Glad you found the issue. I've had sound turned off for years. Kind of makes sense if you have 6+ clients all trying to play sounds though a single interface.

Thanks for posting the solution. That a huge help for the next person who runs into the same issue.
 
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It SOUNDS like you found the culprit and solved the problem. :) I also play with the sound off and to ensure it doesn't get loaded into memory, I added NOSOUND.txt file in my eq directory. Make sure you have file extensions turned on to ensure you don't create a file called "NOSOUND.txt.txt". I'm unsure if this text file does anything any longer as it was something from the old days. It probably wouldn't hurt. Having problems show up can be unpleasant, but after you've solved the problem you come out with knowledge and experience that can help you in other areas.

I ended up setting my in game frame limiter to unlimited / unlimited even though mq frame limiter overrides it. It's seemed to have a positive effect where I can run at least 8 clients smoothly at 60 fps! switching windows is super responsive
 
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eeeppeee said:
my in game does not show bit depth or refresh rate in the drops downs for any resolution ( under video modes )
this is the same on my pc here <--- that has no issues ( 1080TI with amd cpus )

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You have to go into nvidia/amd control panel and set it for this game to allow the game to control those settings instead of using the driver default before they'll show up. As long as it's set to the driver deciding it's not going to report any available refresh rates or bit depths.
 
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DEADCiTiES said:
It SOUNDS like you found the culprit and solved the problem. :) I also play with the sound off and to ensure it doesn't get loaded into memory, I added NOSOUND.txt file in my eq directory. Make sure you have file extensions turned on to ensure you don't create a file called "NOSOUND.txt.txt". I'm unsure if this text file does anything any longer as it was something from the old days. It probably wouldn't hurt. Having problems show up can be unpleasant, but after you've solved the problem you come out with knowledge and experience that can help you in other areas.

I ended up setting my in game frame limiter to unlimited / unlimited even though mq frame limiter overrides it. It's seemed to have a positive effect where I can run at least 8 clients smoothly at 60 fps! switching windows is super responsive
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I have never heard of doing this. Does this work vs turning off the driver?
 
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I haven't looked deeper into this, but it supposedly prevents sound related resources from getting loaded. I imagine it to be like a main circuit breaker switch. It was an old method for turning off sound, but methods for doing things change over time. I haven't disabled my sound driver because I want it to work elsewhere at times. :)
 
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So cant 100% confirm but I think this is related to voicemeter banana. After swapping in the GPUs the sound devices configs and defaults got reset. voicemeter auto starts and the engine is always up. I think with the wrong voicemeter setup it was jamming EQ audio driver up.
 
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eeeppeee said:
So cant 100% confirm but I think this is related to voicemeter banana. After swapping in the GPUs the sound devices configs and defaults got reset. voicemeter auto starts and the engine is always up. I think with the wrong voicemeter setup it was jamming EQ audio driver up.
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Never heard of that prog, but then again after looking it up, not something I would ever use as I don't stream, record, etc.
 
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Sound messed me up in the past too, major lag with multiple toons. Nosound.txt did the trick for me, been playing without sound ever since. I have an AMD card.

You could run one toon out of another EQ directory without the nosound.txt file if you wanted to have a bit of sound going.
 
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methodx said:
Sound messed me up in the past too, major lag with multiple toons. Nosound.txt did the trick for me, been playing without sound ever since. I have an AMD card.

You could run one toon out of another EQ directory without the nosound.txt file if you wanted to have a bit of sound going.
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How and where are you putting this document in the EQ folder? I would like to try this out on my old laptop and see what happens
 
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wired420 said:
Do other games run like crap or is it just EQ?
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For me, just Everquest.. all other games that is much much more modern like Forza H5, Halo, etc runs flawless +100FPS at 1440P high/ultra settings.

I actually start to think its the servers over at EQ that struggles to receive the data from us clients.. they still uses Pentium II system..

Data package loss and lag (Stutter) appears.
 
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@eeeppeee, close down all the porn browsers...that's probably it

Mikey Day Snl GIF by Saturday Night Live
 
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eeeppeee said:
I upgraded my video card from 2090 to asus 4090 nvidia card. my monitor is a benq running at 240 mhz and im running intel cpus.

After the swap my fps is shit and its unplayable on this pc now. Im only running a few instances in windows mode.
i tested some other games like new world and they run fine.


CPU and memory are minimal both for EQ and the OS

set cpuaffinity to -1
reran the wizard from the launchpad
performed a clean install of drivers.
disabled gsync
bad performance with or without MQ


any ideas would be great.
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Sell the bad graphics card and get a real one - AMD! Definitely not a paid promotion. Not paid anyway. What do your GPU and CPU usages look like?
 
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I had this happen on one of my computers, where one instance was ok and running 2 or more was like running through molasses. Other games worked fine. Surprisingly enough, my cpu was the culprit, not my gpu. Replaced it and am now running 20 instances just fine.
 
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I upgraded a couple weeks ago from a 2080 to 4080, made no adjustments and had no issues.. Everything is smooth. I think shadows look abit obnoxious in EQ so they are disabled though. But i play at 4k windowed mode.
 
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